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Look what people have to say about the RLYW!

CAIRO just takes the Marcels and changes the underlying assumptions and components in a bunch of ways that make the Yankees look better.

Wow, two stupid posts in one day. I think you’ve reached your yearly quota.

I don’t know if any of you current posters were around for that, but if so, I just can’t understand how you can call yourselves Yankee fans. Pathetic quitters is what you sounded like. Of the lame posts I could stand to read, the only person who had any confidence in the Yankees at that point was a (yeesh) Red Sox fan.
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Wednesday, October 12, 2011

Should the Yankees Make a Play for Yu Darvish?

The reason for the last Pitcher A vs. Pitcher B thread was to segue into the question in the title.  Whether it’s fair or not, Darvish is going to be compared to other Japanese pitchers that came to the majors.  While it’s not certain he’ll be posted, it’s probably worth exploring in case he is.

Statistics only tell us so much about how good a pitcher is, particularly when trying to assess him in a new league against more difficult competion.  So although I’m going to try and crunch some numbers here to take an educated guess at what Darvish might do in the majors, it’s going to be important that the scouting reports on Darvish feel he’s a viable candidate to provide value as a starting pitcher in MLB.

The track record of Japanese pitchers in MLB is mixed.  Going through the list of Japanese league pitchers who’ve come over to pitch in MLB gives me the following names.

Fukumori, Kazuo
Hasegawa, Shigetoshi
Igarashi, Ryota
Igawa, Kei
Irabu, Hideki
Ishii, Kazuhisa
Kashiwada, Takashi
Kawakami, Kenshin
Kida, Masao
Kobayashi, Masahide
Komiyama, Satoru
Kuroda, Hiroki
Kuwata, Masumi
Matsuzaka, Daisuke
Nakamura, Micheal
Nomo, Hideo
Nomura, Takahito
Ohka, Tomokazu
Okajima, Hideki
Otsuka, Akinori
Saito, Takashi
Sasaki, Kazuhiro
Suzuki, Mac
Tadano, Kazuhito
Takahashi, Hisanori
Takahashi, Ken
Takatsu, Shingo
Tateyama, Yoshinori
Uehara, Koji
Yabu, Keiichi
Yabuta, Yasuhiko
Yoshii, Masato

There are differences in Japanese leagues and parks which I haven’t bothered to try and account for.  You also have starters and relievers and a wide array of ages in this group, which is also something I’m not worrying about right now.  You also have generally older pitchers coming over in terms of the typical player peak, and I ignoring that as well.

I figured the most basic question to ask is how did these pitchers’ performance in MLB compare to their performance in Japan.  So I used matching innings for each pitcher’s Japan time and MLB time to see if I could figure it out.

The idea behind matching innings is to ensure we have the same weighing of Japan and MLB data.  Basically, I compared the pitchers’ career MLB innings to their career Japanese innings and used the smaller of the two as the matched innings.  So in the case of Kazuo Fukumori, I pro-rated his performance over 677.3 Japanese innings to his 4 MLB innings.  I did that for everyone, and then added up the cumulative Japan and MLB performances.  So every pitcher contributed in the same percentage to both data sets.

Japan 8682 6400 2719 3327 485 3398 7858
MLB 8682 8232 4281 4004 1067 3438 7192
Japan->MLB 1.29 1.57 1.20 2.20 1.01 0.92

FIP: Fielding-independent pitching

This is a look at how the pitchers’ cumulative matched inning performances compared between Japan and MLB.  The Japan->MLB line is just the ratio of MLB divided by Japan for each stat.  So on average, we saw an increase in hit rate of about 29%, an increase in runs and earned runs, a more than doubling of HR rate, a fairly consistent walk rate, and about an 8% decrease in strikeout rate.  One thing I’ll mention on the R/ER thing is that the gap between runs and earned runs doesn’t look right to me.  I don’t know why the data (which I pulled from The Baseball Cube) shows such a discrepancy.  It could be that official scoring in Japan is more liberal with assigning errors, or there may be a data error in the earned runs column.  Because of that, I’d probably focus on RA/FIP instead of ERA.

Then, I just took a 3-2-1 weighted average of Darvish’s 2008-2010 performance and applied those changes in the various component stats.

Darvish, Yu Japan 195 141 43 39 7 46 201 5 0 2.00 1.78 2.33
Darvish, Yu Translated 195 181 68 47 16 46 184 22 1 3.15 2.15 3.10

That’s a #1 starter’s line, but it’s also probably optimistic.  So I figured it’d be interesting to do the same exercise for Daisuke Matsuzaka for the three years prior to his arrival in MLB.

Matsuzaka, Daisuke Japan 189 148 54 48 12 40 197 6 0 2.59 2.29 2.59
Matsuzaka, Daisuke Translated 189 190 86 58 26 41 180 23 0 4.07 2.76 3.76
Matsuzaka, Daisuke Actual MLB 189 173 92 89 19 91 172 7 0 4.39 4.25 4.16

I’ve added a third line here, which is just Matsuzaka’s career MLB performance pro-rated to the 189 innings of his 3-2-1 weighted pre-MLB line.  As you can see, Matsuzaka was obviously not as good as the straight translation would have pegged him.  He’s been somewhere between 0.3 - 0.4 runs per nine worse according to RA/FIP.

So what if I just used the difference between Matsuzaka’s translated line and actual line applied to Darvish’s translated line?

Darvish, Yu Translated* 195 165 74 72 12 104 177 6 0 3.40 3.31 3.78

That still looks pretty solid to me.  It’d almost certainly be the best projection on the Yankees aside from CC Sabathia if he doesn’t leave. 

As far as I know, Darvish has solid MLB stuff.  He’d also be two years younger than Matsuzaka was when he came over.  The concern I’d have would be if his style of pitching is conducive to MLB success.  The big jump in Matsuzaka’s walk rate is an illustration of why that’s a potential problem.  If Darvish’s style is based more on getting batters to swing at bad pitches and less on having good command, he may suffer more in MLB than the raw numbers indicate.  That’s where the scouts come in.

But at least from what this tells me, I’m all aboard the sign Yu Darvish bandwagon.  Since the posting fee won’t count against the luxury tax, and there’s no draft pick compensation to lose if he’s signed, it’s a gamble worth taking in my opinion.

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