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CAIRO just takes the Marcels and changes the underlying assumptions and components in a bunch of ways that make the Yankees look better.
-alskor

Wow, two stupid posts in one day. I think you’ve reached your yearly quota.
sabernar

I don’t know if any of you current posters were around for that, but if so, I just can’t understand how you can call yourselves Yankee fans. Pathetic quitters is what you sounded like. Of the lame posts I could stand to read, the only person who had any confidence in the Yankees at that point was a (yeesh) Red Sox fan.
Jeter is King

Quite the attitude you have SG. Maybe you should shitcan this blog and join Steve at WasWatching? Or follow some other stupid team that has made the PS 15 of the last 17 years. Jeez… and some people think Yankee fans are entitled.
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Monday, January 10, 2011

NDYN: Royals refusal to listen to offers for Joakim Soria adds to winter woes for Brian Cashman

Having struck out everywhere in his quest to land a frontline starter, Cashman has since sought to strengthen the staff from the back end, only to run into another stonewall with Kansas City Royals GM Dayton Moore’s refusal to consider offers for his closer Joakim Soria. Moore’s “no way” stance on Soria - who recently said he would waive his no-trade clause and approve a deal to the Yankees - is puzzling.

If the Yankees do want to shore up the bullpen, signing Rafael Soriano and/or trading for Joakim Soria would inarguably help.  However, in order to determine how much of an upgrade they’d be, it would probably help to do a comparison of the Yankee bullpen without either of them first.

Assume the following five pitchers are locks for the bullpen

Mariano Rivera
David Robertson
Joba Chamberlain (yeah, I know)
Pedro Feliciano
Boone Logan

Here are the pitchers on the 40 man roster who may be candidates for the bullpen.

Dellin Betances
Andrew Brackman
Robert Fish
Steve Garrison
Damaso Marte
Sergio Mitre
Hector Noesi
Ivan Nova
Ryan Pope
Romulo Sanchez
Brian Schlitter
Daniel Turpen

For now, let’s assume Marte’s going to spend the season throwing from flat ground with the occasional setback.  Let’s also assume that the Yankees aren’t going to add a starter for now and that Ivan Nova and Sergio Mitre are penciled in for the fourth and fifth spots in the rotation.  I’m also going to assume that for now none of Betances, Brackman or Noesi would start the year in the bullpen, since they’d probably be better served getting regular work in the minors.

Last year’s bullpen pitched 469.1 innings, but let’s figure that this year’s rotation is weaker and so they’ll be needed to pitch more than that.  The 2008 Yankees got a little less than 900 innings from their starters, and had Darrell Rasner and Sidney Ponson in the rotation as the third and fifth-most used starters, neither of whom was any better than how Nova and Mitre project, so that seems like a reasonable number of innings to allocate to the rotation in 2011.  So that leaves around 550 innings for the bullpen.

Let’s assume the following allocation of innings for the starting rotation and the five locks in the bullpen.

Pitcher Role IP R RA/9 RSAR
Sabathia, CC SP1 200 87 3.89 48
Hughes, Phil SP2 190 94 4.44 34
Burnett, A.J. SP3 170 95 5.02 19
Nova, Ivan SP4 150 94 5.63 7
Mitre, Sergio SP5 100 58 5.20 9
Noesi, Hector SP6 50 30 5.48 3
Igawa, Kei SP7 30 20 5.97 0
Starter Total 890 477 4.82 119
Pitcher Role IP RA/9 R RSAR
Rivera, Mariano CL 60 2.93 20 17
Robertson, David SU 70 4.25 33 10
Chamberlain, Joba SU 70 4.62 36 7
Feliciano, Pedro MR 45 4.58 23 5
Logan, Boone MR 50 4.74 26 4
Reliever Total 295 4.20 138 44
Team Total 1185 4.67 615 164

IP: Projected innings pitched
R: Total runs allowed
RA/9: Projected runs allowed per nine innings
RSAR: Runs saved above replacement level

As should be abundantly clear at this point, I’m being deliberately pessimistic in order to amplify the possible gain from adding Soriano or Soria.  Also, Kei Igawa is not necessarily the actual Kei Igawa, but a proxy for some replacement level pitcher who ends up pitching some innings.

This means we need to add about 255 innings from the rest of the bullpen to get to the normal 1440 innings in a season.  Let’s assume the Yankees fill those 255 innings with Turpen, Garrison, Fish and Schlitter.  Here’s what that looks like.

Pitcher Role IP RA/9 R RSAR
Sabathia, CC SP1 200 3.89 87 48
Hughes, Phil SP2 190 4.44 94 34
Burnett, A.J. SP3 170 5.02 95 19
Nova, Ivan SP4 150 5.63 94 7
Mitre, Sergio SP5 100 5.20 58 9
Noesi, Hector SP6 50 5.48 30 3
Igawa, Kei SP7 30 5.97 20 0
Starter Total 890 4.82 477 119
Pitcher Role IP RA/9 R RSAR
Rivera, Mariano CL 60 2.93 20 17
Robertson, David SU 70 4.25 33 10
Chamberlain, Joba SU 70 4.62 36 7
Feliciano, Pedro MR 45 4.58 23 5
Logan, Boone MR 50 4.74 26 4
Turpen, Dan MR 65 5.16 37 3
Garrison, Steve MR 65 5.29 38 2
Fish, Robert LR 65 5.72 41 -1
Schlitter, Brian LR 60 5.91 39 -2
Reliever Total 550 4.81 294 45
Team Total 1440 4.82 771 165


If CAIRO’s projected 835 runs scored for the 2011 Yankees is accurate right now, that’s about an 87 win team. 

Here are how Soria and Soriano would projected as Yankees in 2011.

Pitcher Role IP RA/9 R RSAR
Soria, Joakim MR 65 3.24 23 17
Soriano, Rafael MR 65 3.61 26 14


Soriano’s projection looks a bit high to me, but it shouldn’t matter that much. We can even just assume he’ll be as good as Soria would be to simplify things.

So the obvious upgrade here is that you remove something like 65 of the worst projected innings here with Soria/Soriano.  So replacing Schlitter and five innings of Fish with Soria looks like this.

Pitcher Role IP RA/9 R RSAR
Rivera, Mariano CL 60 2.93 20 17
Soria, Joakim SU 65 3.24 23 17
Robertson, David SU 70 4.25 33 10
Chamberlain, Joba MR 70 4.62 36 7
Feliciano, Pedro MR 45 4.58 23 5
Logan, Boone MR 50 4.74 26 4
Turpen, Dan MR 65 5.16 37 3
Garrison, Steve LR 65 5.29 38 2
Fish, Robert LR 60 5.72 38 -1
Reliever Total 550 4.50 275 64
Team Total 1440 4.70 752 184


It’s about a 19 run upgrade on a spreadsheet.  If you want to include leverage for that, assuming Soria pitches in the same spots that Robertson, Chamberlain and Kerry Wood pitched in last year, you can multiply that by about 1.27 (their weighted average leverage index in 2010).  That makes it about a 24 run upgrade.

So that’s probably about the theoretical ceiling of how much Soria or Soriano would be worth, and it’s based on what I think are some pessimistic assumptions.  In reality I’d expect an upgrade of slightly less than two wins.

If Soriano didn’t cost you a draft pick and was about as good as Soria projects to be, he’d probably be worth a 1 year/$10M or 2 year/$20M deal for the Yankees.  I don’t think I’d want to commit to him for a third year, especially if the market for him isn’t particularly strong.

If the alternative is trading for Soria, then it’d have to be a trade that cost the Yankees less than however much they think their first round pick in 2011 is worth. Otherwise you’re overpaying for what might be a three run difference.  So in absolutely no way should they consider trading Jesus Montero or the three B’s.  At least that’s what I think.

Unfortunately, I doubt the Royals would accept anything less than at least one of those players. 

So if I had to choose one, give me Soriano and the lost draft pick over Soria and the lost top five prospect(s).

But I just don’t see a two win upgrade being worth either one.  It still doesn’t make the Yankees better than Boston on a spreadsheet.

--Posted at 2:58 pm by SG / 13 Comments | - (0)



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