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Look what people have to say about the RLYW!

CAIRO just takes the Marcels and changes the underlying assumptions and components in a bunch of ways that make the Yankees look better.
-alskor

Wow, two stupid posts in one day. I think you’ve reached your yearly quota.
sabernar

I don’t know if any of you current posters were around for that, but if so, I just can’t understand how you can call yourselves Yankee fans. Pathetic quitters is what you sounded like. Of the lame posts I could stand to read, the only person who had any confidence in the Yankees at that point was a (yeesh) Red Sox fan.
Jeter is King

Quite the attitude you have SG. Maybe you should shitcan this blog and join Steve at WasWatching? Or follow some other stupid team that has made the PS 15 of the last 17 years. Jeez… and some people think Yankee fans are entitled.
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Tuesday, January 15, 2013

How Much Value Have Full-time Second Baseman Accrued in their Age 30+ Seasons?

Now that I’ve figured out how to use saved reports with Baseball Reference’s Play Index to create more reports I’m having fun goofing around with things like the question in the title.  So first, I ran a query for all the players who got at least 4000 PA through their age 29 seasons and played at least 75% of their games at second base.  I got a list of 39 players.

Through Age 29

Age 30+

Here’s a really basic chart comparing their WAR through age 29 and their WAR from age 30 on.

Player <29 WAR 30+ WAR
Eddie Collins 68.9 49.6
Joe Morgan 44.3 52.8
Charlie Gehringer 25.9 50.7
Rod Carew 39.8 36.8
Lou Whitaker 37.3 34.1
Bobby Grich 38.8 28.5
Ryne Sandberg 36 28.9
Willie Randolph 37.2 25.8
Roberto Alomar 40.9 22
Billy Herman 34.8 17.7
Bobby Doerr 31.2 16.2
Nellie Fox 30 16.3
Tony Lazzeri 34.7 11.5
Johnny Evers 28.8 16.4
Larry Doyle 32.5 10.1
Chuck Knoblauch 38.9 3.1
Red Schoendienst 17.1 21.9
Jim Gilliam 18.2 19.5
Robinson Cano 34.8 0
Bill Mazeroski 26.7 5.6
Tony Cuccinello 25 7
Ray Durham 16.2 14.4
Luis Castillo 20.9 5.9
Dave Cash 23.2 1.2
Steve Sax 18.3 4.6
Delino DeShields 17.5 4.5
Tony Taylor 9.2 10.8
Carlos Baerga 18.3 -1.1
Glenn Hubbard 15 2.1
Felix Millan 11.5 4.4
Juan Samuel 12.2 2.3
Hughie Critz 9.8 3.9
Rennie Stennett 12.5 0.1
Jerry Remy 12.1 0.5
Bucky Harris 11.7 0.3
Rickie Weeks 12 0
Otto Knabe 9.8 -1.7
Bobby Richardson 5.8 0.7
Bill Wambsganss 1.3 -0.8

If we focus on the top 20 in terms of WAR, here’s how that looks.

Player <29 WAR 30+ WAR
Eddie Collins 68.9 49.6
Joe Morgan 44.3 52.8
Roberto Alomar 40.9 22
Rod Carew 39.8 36.8
Chuck Knoblauch 38.9 3.1
Bobby Grich 38.8 28.5
Lou Whitaker 37.3 34.1
Willie Randolph 37.2 25.8
Ryne Sandberg 36 28.9
Billy Herman 34.8 17.7
Robinson Cano 34.8 0
Tony Lazzeri 34.7 11.5
Larry Doyle 32.5 10.1
Bobby Doerr 31.2 16.2
Nellie Fox 30 16.3
Johnny Evers 28.8 16.4
Bill Mazeroski 26.7 5.6
Charlie Gehringer 25.9 50.7
Tony Cuccinello 25 7
Average 36 23

On average, players provided about 37% less WAR from age 30 on.  If Robinson Cano matches a similar pattern, he’d be worth something like 22 WAR over the remainder of his career.

How much is that worth?  I don’t know, but I’m pretty sure it’s not worth 10 years and $250M.

 

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