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Wednesday, March 15, 2017

TGS NY: Jobs in jeopardy as Baby Bombers challenge Yankees veterans

TAMPA, Fla.—New York Yankees manager Joe Girardi has noticed the young talent this spring has jumped from low tide to high tide. And he has put everyone on notice.

“In a sense, everyone’s job in here is in jeopardy in a year, two years,” he said. “That is the quality of player that we have in camp. People are starting to pass people up.”

Who is most likely to swipe jobs, and who is most likely to lose them? It might not happen this season or at all, but Girardi doesn’t make a statement like that unless he means it. If young players continue to perform and old ones don’t, there could be changes.

For now, we’re not including youngsters Gary Sanchez, Greg Bird and Aaron Judge. Sanchez, barring an injury, will be the starting catcher, and Bird and Judge have the inside track to break camp as starters as well, at first base and right field, respectively. In our minds, they’re already in.

Here are five potential Yankees stars of the future, and whom they could replace.

Jorge Mateo in CF is my favorite on the list.

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There’s a sizable contingent of Yankees fans who thinks everything should be on the table for a Quintana trade. But none of the young players listed in the article above played a full 150+ games in the majors. Are we sure there’s a surplus of prospects when we don’t even know if the “sure things” are actually sure things? It would not surprise me if at the end of the year, the best players in 2017 are headlined by Ellsbury, Gardner and Headley with Bird, Sanchez and Judge deemed to have underachieved or disappointed in their extended exposure to the majors. I am hoping very hard that isn’t the case, but we all thought Severino would be a useful player in 2016. So I’d like to pump the brakes and let these kids play a full season and not worry so much about upgrading the roster for a higher probability for a post season berth.

[1]  The linked article seems overoptimistic, especially about Mateo.  He needs to show that he can hit, after not hitting well last year in AAA or in training camp this year.

[1] I’m fully expecting a rather pedestrian year from Sanchez. Undersell and over deliver!

The key to Quintana is that he’s locked in for chump change for the next THREE years after 2017. He has one of the most ridiculously team friendly contract in all of baseball (the last two years aren’t even guaranteed! They’re team options!) So even if 2017 doesn’t work out, the Yankees would have an above-average starter locked in for three more years. That’s highly valuable to any team, but especially a team like the Yankees that needs to fill up so much of its starting rotation and might need to spend a lot of money on other players to do so.

I’d probably move 4-5 of the top-10 for Quintana excepting Torres.

No Birdie, Gary or Gleyber I sez.

[1] Be careful, lest you be accused of proposing to trade Gary Sanchez for Ken Phelps because Jesus Montero was a bust.

So even if 2017 doesn’t work out, the Yankees would have an above-average starter locked in for three more years.

We’ve spent a vast majority of the past 2-3 years complaining about offensive production on the major league roster. No guarantee this team currently out-performs last year’s offensive production. You’re running to stand still if you execute a trade this season for Quintana. We also assume that Quintana is the only pitcher that fits the profile of team friendly contract and control to come up on the trade market in the foreseeable future.

[7] Actually, I’m arguing the opposite. I rather stand pat and let the kids play themselves out rather than make a decision in March that Quintana plus current roster = playoff contention for the next 4 years.

[6] These are my untouchables too. Maaaaybe Kaprelian depending on his injury status.

I don’t think Quintana is moving at this point. The White Sox don’t really have a ton of pressure to move him now. 1/2 a season is unlikely to erode his value much, and dealing him in the midst of a playoff race/the trade deadline might actually increase the return they are able to get.

FWIW, I would consider giving up Torres for Quintana if it were something along the lines of the Eaton trade, like Torres + Abreu + Leo Molina. I like Torres, but the Yankees already have a good young SS and a handful of other SS prospects behind him.

That being said, I’m with willdthrill that the Yankees should stand pat for now (I’m also pretty confident, as I said above, that Quintana will still be available in July).

Unlike the townies the Yankees are not good enough right now to surrender their top prospect for a pitcher not named Kershaw.

[8] Actually, I’m arguing the opposite. I rather stand pat and let the kids play themselves out rather than make a decision in March that Quintana plus current roster = playoff contention for the next 4 years.

Sure. But trading for Quintana right now is at least a consideration and not some ridiculous notion, because he’s signed for several years. 

Actually, now that I think about it, trading for Quintana is a very interesting conversation in terms of the ongoing rebuild. To wit:

- Most rebuilding teams follow a model along the lines of: (1) be terrible for several years and draft high, (2) hang on and gather talent through veteran sell offs, mostly at the trade deadline to motivated buyers and (3) sprinkle in some veterans when the young players come into their own and you are ready to go for it.  Cubs, Royals, Rays from 7-8 years ago, maybe even the Orioles and Seattle.

- The Yankees are somewhat on this path with obvious exceptions/differences: (1) they haven’t punted to the point where they’re a top 5 or 10 draft team, but rather 15-20 and (2) they’ve held onto young talent and have traded veterans, but not to the extremes other clubs may have.

Now, we’re all clearly waiting for the last phase - the young players to blossom and the Yankees to do their version of sprinkling in some veterans, which would be buying some really stand out free agents, like Harper.

But what if their young players never blossom? I’d say step (4) of the process for a smaller market team would be to just keep losing and try again - maybe a team like the Twins and the Rays of the last 4-5 years. Would the Yankees start their rebuild over or would they abandon the plan and go back to a model that’s more like the Dodgers?

The answer to that question, I think, heavily informs what you would do right now in a trade scenario with Quintana.

Just to continue my stream of consciousness.

I think it’s obvious that anyone would want Quintana.  Reminds me a lot of Andy Pettitte which provides a lot of rotation stability.

We’ve got a ton of prospects and the truth is not all of them will contribute in the way we hope.  If you had a crystal ball, you’d trade the ones that are valued highly now but will become duds.  The question is, is the risk of guessing wrong worth the excess value Quintana might provide.

[12] I think the Yankees are very much setting themselves up to follow the same path as the Dodgers (probably with more disciplined spending) and pre-Dombrowski Red Sox. The Dodgers had a far more flexible money situation (and open purse strings) than the Yankees did when embarking on their rebuild.

As the FA market opens up over the next few years, I think we’ll see the Dodgers, Red Sox (depending on what Dombrowski does), Yankees and Cubs all end up looking pretty similar in how they approach building their teams via FA, trades and the MiL.

[10] Horror.

[15] I’m not chomping at the bit to make that trade, but that’s less than the Sox gave up for Sale and reasonably close to what the Nationals gave up for Eaton. Especially with Gregorious continuing to develop, I don’t think it would be crazy for the Yankees to cash in on the Torres hype.

I think the Yankees should stick with what they have right now, but if the right deal is there they can definitely afford to make it.

Madison Bumgarner vs Jose Quintana, who would you prefer to drain the prospect pool for? I just checked Bumgarner’s contract status and age. There’s a good case to be made that you can make the SF Giants an offer they can’t refuse if their window slams shut in the next 2 years and Bumgarner will bring back 4 top prospects from the Yankees. I just think pitchers are always available. Teams need pitching, but they’re all injury risks and any pitcher is a player that is always available for the right price.

(16)I don’t think Torres is overhyped. He’s done nothing in Arizona or in Spring Training that would make anyone think he isn’t very close to being MLB ready.  Given the impatience of all of we fans, I sort of wish he would go north with the team in April.  I think AAA though should be where he begins and we will have a pretty good answer about his potential ceiling by July 1. Ditto Frazier.  That may be the time to consider trades. Things can change fast. Look how bad Sanchez played in ST last year.  What a mistake it would have proven to be had the team offered him in a similar bundle trade at that time. We would have been talking about firing Cashman all winter had Gary posted similar results with another team.

(17) agree

[18] Torres has a career line of .282/.356/.405 in the minors and hasn’t even gotten to AA yet.  Sure, he hit well in the Arizona Fall League (didn’t Eric Duncan win the MVP there one year?) and in spring training (remember when Enrique Wilson hit .462/.476/.718) in spring training?).  He’s almost certainly not ready yet, and the Yankees don’t have a hole that he can fill anyway unless they can get rid of Starlin Castro and/or Didi Gregorius gets hurt.

I’m very happy he’s doing what he’s doing and I’m happy to see him near the tops of all these prospect lists, but he’s not ready yet.  Maybe by the end of the year he will be.

[18] I’m not saying that Torres is overhyped. But he could be at peak hype right now. I don’t think it would necessarily be a wrong move to use him as a centerpiece of a trade to solidify the pitching for the next few year (a significant concern) when the Yankees already have a good young SS and a ton of middle infield depth.

I’m also agreeing with you that the Yankees are probably better off waiting to make any moves. I don’t think that anyone good is going anywhere before June/July so unless their entire system craters to begin the year, I think the risk/reward is in the favor of going into the year with the team as currently constructed and making a decision with another 1/2 season of data.

It is always a time to consider trades, it just probably not the time to pull the trigger on one.

[17] Bumgarner is basically the face of the Giants franchise. I don’t think he’ll be traded away. Things COULD change in the next couple of years, but he feels like a one-team player to me.

Things COULD change in the next couple of years, but he feels like a one-team player to me.

Specifically with Bumgarner, there’s opt-outs for both team and player as soon as next season. I believe we’ve speculated on the merits of Cashman on pulling the trigger on Tanaka this coming trading deadline with his opt-out. With advance analytics, I think teams are becoming less reliant on “name” players to build teams. Even more so, I think most dedicated baseball fans know how to properly value a 30 year old pitcher vs 3-4 top prospects with 4-6 years of team and cost control. If we can get even one B+ prospect for CC Sabathia, how quick would we want Cashman to jump on it?

I’m pretty sure if a team would take half of Sabathia’s deal they could have him for no prospect at all.

[22] Sabathia is at the point where the Yankees are better holding on to him rather than getting him off the roster. His contract is up at the end of this season, right? It feels like his contract will run right through to MY retirement.

[21] I think you’re confusing dedicated baseball fans with educated/saber-minded baseball fans. There a tons of baseball fans out there that still don’t give a shit about “advanced” statistics like OPS+, never mind actually useful stats. The internet, in particular the baseball blog scene, is particularly saber-minded. But sports radio is still extremely popular and generally pretty-anti advanced stats.

Big names still matter a lot. As long as someone like Bumgarner (who is basically a folk hero) is still performing at a reasonably high level, a team like the Giants will be hesitant to let him walk. And it’s not like the Giants are a bubble mid-market team. They have the market to overspend on a homegrown iconic talent like Bumgarner.

[23] Yeah, the Yankees need his innings this year.

[12] Two things I’m pretty sure of: 1) The Yankees will not allow the team to keep losing if the prospects don’t make a big enough difference, and 2) whether they’re in first place or last place, they will try to sign Bryce Harper and/or Manny Machado and/or Clayton Kershaw, etc. if they become free agents. Trading for or not trading for Quintana is not going to change either of those things.

For me, I’d rather hold onto the kind of top prospects it would take to get Quintana. I just think the team is fun to watch where they’re at right now, and as good as Quintana is, and as important as frontline pitching is, homegrown/middle of the order/middle of the diamond/5+ WAR bats are also important to building a contender—and also extremely hard to come by. Sanchez looks like one, but I want to find a couple more out of the prospect pool before I start cashing them in for veterans.

The prospects will at the very least be fun to follow on MiLB while Quintana will not vault this team to the upper echelon.

I would not trade Gleybie… I think Gleybie could help the Big League team this season. One of the most impressive natural hitters I’ve seen in recent years. Minor League numbers need to be considered along with being young for those levels… I think he could put up a .720 .OPS or so right now if they traded Castro and installed him as the second baseman. When you think about it, it would be gutsy and defensible to go in this direction: you’d still have Ronnie Torreyes or even the increasingly maligned Refsnyder to step into the breach if Torres really gets overmatched. And if it worked: talk about buzz in the city. Torres can become a huge attraction. Youngest Yankees rookie since? (Help me out here) The problem would be trading Castro. There’s like a zero percent chance this happens. But if it sounds crazy, well, trading a guy who looks like a hitting machine who can play middle infield seems crazy to me!

Edit: Jose Rijo!

Have we considered the possibility of building a time machine specifically for the purpose of protecting Quintana on the 40-man 5 years ago?

Any chance Sterls goes with “It is high, it is far, It is ... free as a Bird now and this Bird you CAN change, into a run. C’est lui, c’est lui.”

31 More like Bye Bye Birdie

I really just want Sterls to add “C’est lui, c’est lui!” to the end of all his calls.

Pineda looks like he has some discomfort.

Seriously Gleyber, SERIOUSLY!

478/480/1043 not shabby

I am worried about how the Yanks can get a decent SP staff in 2018 while still staying under the salary cap. I was thrilled by Pineda’s performance yesterday. Hopefully, he’ll pitch that well all season long.  But, then, how much will he get in 2018?  How much will Tanaka get? If the team wants to sign CC for another year, how much will he want?

Trading for Quintana could help solve this problem (as long as the Yanks kept all their young SPs.)  More likely, I suspect the Yanks wil have 2018 SP staff consisting of (Pineda or Tanaka or CC) + 4 youngsters.

[37] It sort of feels like some sort of move (Quintana being the most likely target) is inevitable. But I don’t think it’s happening until this summer at the earliest.

Signing CC ? Man, way to piss on my raisin bran, dude.

Surely they can find someone to make 30 pitch starts for less.

The whole “didn’t protect Quintana” thing bothers me, because it suggests the Yankees don’t have a feel for how to judge minor leaguers. It’s not like they let a guy go and 5 years later he was a star. He was a good pitcher in the majors 3 months later.

[40] You’re creating a pattern out of a single data point. Your assertion is even more absurd as you are applying it to the current Yankees MiL system, which has gone through significant changes since Quintana left the organization (and is beginning to develop a reputation as a arm factory).

Keep in mind that basically no one saw Quintana as that good of a prospect when the Yankees let him go. He was ranked as the White Sox #32 prospect when they acquired him by BP, John Sickels rated him as their #20, with a C rating.

Clearly everyone but the White Sox totally missed on Quintana.

(40, 41) Neither are true. Quintana made a major change after moving to Chicago. Same thing happened to Clippard. The better question is why teams can’t reliably get players to change to get better rather than relying on statistical happenstance.

[42] Brings up a good point. Isn’t Larry Rothchild suppose to be some sort of genius that they had to have when they moved on from Gator and Dave Eiland? It seems like relievers are something they’re good at developing, starters? Not so much.

[42] Did he? I can’t find any evidence of that. His stuff has actually improved since he made the ML, but his first year or so with the White Sox looks right in line with his scouting report (just more MLB ready than anyone thought).

The adjustment/change thing is a good question. I’m sure part of it is due to limited resources on the MiL level. Not necessarily monetarily, but personnel wise - there are a lot of MiL players and only so many coaches. Part if it may be due to generalized organizational philosophies (like the Orioles eschewing of cutters).

[43] My understanding was that Rothchild was brought in due to his ability to unlock higher K potential in pitchers. By and large, he’s seemed to do that.


Couple things:

First of all, in what way is Bumgarner a good comparison? First of all, he’s better, not insignificantly. Second, he’s on a winning team. What incentive would the Giants have to move him? Quintana has no role with the Sox when compared to a possible trade package. And, as you say, Bumgarner’s contract has opt outs. A Cy Young caliber pitcher who is the face of a franchise in the midst of its contention window without 4 years of control is just not a comparison for Quintana, so I don’t know why we’re talking about him.

And yeah, the Yanks could “blow away” the Giants, but that’s irrelevant. No one is arguing to make a bad trade for Quintana, or anyone. We’re just arguing that Quintana is probably worth more than 4 org-top-10 prospects.

Controllable players as good as Quintana just aren’t common - that’s why the White Sox are trading him and traded Sale - the opportunity cost greatly favors their moving since the team is going to be bad. They can leverage a sparse market - above average starters with years of control. Every team planning on contending int he next 3 years should be thinking hard about players like this.

Second, your argument about prospects is a little incomplete. Yes, we don’t know what we’re going to have in a couple years - great farm systems don’t guarantee anything. Many of these prospects will not achieve their imagined ceilings. But that is just as much an argument to trade as to keep. If you don’t know who’s going to hit and you wait to find out the other guys have no value. You can’t trade the players after they’ve shown they’re not that good based on their prior trade value.

If what you’re saying is that, in general, you want to see some of these guys get a chance to play for us, then I agree. but Quintana is so valuable and so nicely fits this teams needs and contention window (which, yes, is still projected, but if they trade for Quintana and can’t compete it’s probably not simply because of the 3 or so guys they gave up to get him). And, because the Sox aren’t competing you can probably load the package with farther off guys - this disturbing your attempt to compete shortly less than if you were trading with a team that didn’t want to sacrifice ML performance. Just another reason trading for Quintana could fit the Yankees situation.

No one is saying trade anything for Quintana. But I can’t think of another player we know to be available who I think would be worth the price of acquisition.

Also on the Quintana front is the fact that, as you noted, he is very much available. This isn’t some pipe dream thing. The White Sox literally have scouts at Yankee games RIGHT NOW looking at their prospects. So it’s very much a possibility, which is the main reason we’re discussing it.

As for the Yankees missing on Quintana, we like to bitch here pretty much every time a halfway decent prospect gets picked up by another team. And none of us said a thing about Quintana. That doesn’t “prove” anything, of course, but it does suggest to me that it was a move that most teams would have made.

We’re just arguing that Quintana is probably worth more than 4 org-top-10 prospects.

Just as a point of information, it seems pretty rare that more than 4 prospects total are ever traded for anyone, let alone 4 org-top-10 guys.

Chris Sale is better than Quintana, and he didn’t fetch four top-10 organizational prospects.

The “four top 10 prospects” thing is more a case of “Could the Yankees get him without giving up Torres or Rutherford?” If that were the case, it WOULD probably take three-four of their other guys to get it done then.

The Red Sox were willing to deal a top prospect for Sale. I don’t think the Yankees would be willing to do so with Torres or Rutherford and I think that’s probably the right call.

What I think they’ve done, though, is build up enough quantity of prospects in the system that they could survive losing 3-4 good prospects and still be in good shape, long-term.

Why are we still even talking about Jose Quintana when Ernesto “Flavortown” Frieri is in the fold?

46: And none of us said a thing about Quintana.

I was a little surprised when you guys passed on him. I thought he would have made an excellent addition to the site.

Would you give up Frazier and Rutherford for Quintana?

[47] Yes, but still, you can choose 4 guys in any org’s top 10 any year and end up with a lot less than what you’ll get from 4 years of Quintana.

[49] This.

[52] Yes. I would miss them, and our OF future would be significantly bleaker. But how likely is it that the two of them will give you the 10-20 WAR you get from Quintana? Put it this way: If you KNEW prospect Quintana would become the guy he’s been, he’d be the top prospect in almost any class by a long way.

[53] I’d do that trade too but maybe it’s not enough and the Sox would like Sheffield or Kaprielan too.
And that is just too much to give up in my opinion

I know not all the prospects are going to pan out, but I don’t see how trading significant possible components of a future good team to have Quintana fronting a more-likely-to-be-mediocre team is a good move at this point. 

Right now there’s no action on Quintana.  If a top contender loses its ace, maybe.  But how are the Yankees going to outbid a desperate Cubs or Dodgers or Nationals or Red Sox?  And why should they?  The price will be too high.  If there is no immediate need, the White Sox will wait until the deadline

If the Yankees are in it at the deadline by some miracle, it will most likely because they’re getting contribution from the young’uns.  At that point how do you justify cutting off the pipeline of young talent to add maybe two additional wins for this year?  Yes I know he’s signed for multiple years, but the trade would be for this year, because again you’re competing against win-now teams so you pay that premium.

And let’s face it, the Yankees are never paying big money for free agents again, unless they drop their payroll to like $100m.  So it’s got to be about Sheffield, Kaprielian, Cessa, Green, Abreu, Adams, Montgomery, Clarkin, Acevedo…there’s a future rotation in there somewhere.  Don’t trade it away.

Yes I know he’s signed for multiple years

The rest of your comment doesn’t seem as though you’re lending that the proper weight, though.

Dude is 27. He has put up 20 bWAR the last four seasons. He is signed for four years for $35 million. Or $1 million more than Zach Greinke will make this season alone.

It’s a win now move and a win later move and an austerity move, all wrapped into one!

[56]  But there’s no win now with this team, and there might be no win later if you trade the cream of the crop.  That’s what the WSox want.  They will get it.  Should they get it from the Yankees?  I say no. 

Look what Chapman and Miller got at the deadline.

Come end of July, teams that want the Series will be offering the Chapman package PLUS the Miller package AND MORE because he’s a starting ace with years of control.

I can imagine a situation in which the Yankees are on their way to 95 wins and the division somehow,  because Judge, Bird, Cessa, Green, and Fowler (or whoever) have really proved themselves, and they trade 6 prospects for Quintana because flags fly forever.  But I can also imagine them emptying the farm for Quintana and then missing the playoffs in every goddamn inexpensive year he’s a Yankee.

Then again, the Yankees will probably do it JUST to save money.  I bet they send 10 prospects to get the Sox to also eat CC’s money.  When Kap hits arb I bet he’s non-tendered.

In conclusion, I blame Ellsbury.

I wouldn’t bet on those prospects to populate a future rotation - I’d bet on a maximum of one slot from them, and I’d be extremely happy with two. It’s just really hard to develop young pitchers into MLB starters, and I’m not sure if our club might be worse at it than others (what we did to Joba…). By my memory the only ones since 2000 to break in with us and stick in any MLB rotation for more than one year have been Wang (126 career starts), Hughes (200 career starts), Kennedy (237 career starts), and Nova (129 career starts). So, in the last 17 years we’ve produced four solid members of a rotation, totaling 692 starts between them (never mind that Kennedy’s were almost all for someone else). But over 17 years, a team has 2754 games. So all our prospects in that time have yielded the equivalent of 1.25 reliable MLB rotation slots. If we go back to 1995, we add Pettitte and Hitchcock, who together bring the number up to 2 MLB rotation slots.

The caveat is that I don’t have the total number of our pitching prospects in that time, and we may just not have been drafting as many as other teams because we were content with our hired starters (Clemens, Mussina, El Duque, etc). But long story short, if you want to build a rotation, proven MLB starters are a much better bet than most handfuls of prospects.

I, too, blame Ellsbury. And Levine.

I just realized sweet-swingin’ Billy McKinney sounds like a 1930s nickname, and I like it.

[58] Do the Yankees get any credit for Ted Lilly?

proven MLB starters are a much better bet than most handfuls of prospects

Where do these proven MLB starters come from then? Are they fully formed at a specific age to be proven MLB starters or do they experience a process of growth and development? Buying talent is always more defendable to your customers and your owners, its just not a great predictor of future production. I know the team across town has had a run of great pitching development so it can’t be the pressures of the media market that makes putting together a starting rotation so difficult for the Yankees.

[60] You’re right, I’d forgotten Lilly. He spent time in our MiLB system after coming up w/ Montreal but made 331 starts in his career. So if we claim him that brings it up to 2.2 rotation slots since 1995.

[62] I’m lacking the numbers here, but I suspect a fair number of starts are made by folks who simply don’t last more than a year. But yeah, the other hypothesis is that they come from other teams, and our system might be underperforming. Again, I don’t have the data to support that either, and this is all POOMA.

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[52]  I think giving up Frazier and Rutherford for Quintana would be really dumb.

As a pitcher, I don’t think he’s any less risky than 2 stud position players prospects.  Quintana’s career could end tomorrow.

I think Rutherford is going to be the best hitter, if not player, of the bunch. Would only give him up for a Kershaw type pitcher, not Quintana.

Also, FG top 100 prospect list is out:

[65] I’m not on board with trading both Frazier and Rutherford for Quintana either. But, Frazier has non-insignificant K issues and Rutherford hasn’t even played in low A yet.

Prospects are good, but they can’t all be untouchable. I’d love to the Yankees to be able to build a great team out of just home-grown players. But realistically, that’s not going to happen. Part of the luxury of having such a deep farm is the ability to make trades for players like Quintana and not take a huge hit.

I’m still arguing for patience - this spring is not the time to make a trade, but the window on Quintana will certainly be closing at some point this year. It’s not crazy for the Yankees to make a trade for a team controlled player even if it won’t come to fruition for another year+. It doesn’t make much sense to preempt the market on Quintana, but the Yankees should probably be in the midst of the bidding this summer.

My POOMA feeling is that any deal would involve just one of Torres, Frazier or Rutherford. If the Yankees put Torres on the table, I think Chicago would be crazy not to make a deal at that point. They could probably get the Yankees to add a low top-100 guy, Sheffield would make a lot of sense, but if I can get my hands on Torres I’m not worrying too much about the secondary pieces in the deal. Otherwise, I’d think something like Frazier/Rutherford + Kap + Sheffield-or-lesser would work.

Me? Torres is pretty much untouchable at this point. My rational side could see doing Frazier, Kap, and Sheffield, but my heart would hate to lose any of Frazier/Rutherford/Kap.

Rutherford and Torres are the only untouchables for me (with the assumption being that Sanchez being untouchable is a given). Everyone else has a significant problem that I could see screwing them over.

Yankees having EIGHT players in the Top 100 on that list is awesome.

The Red Sox having three players in the Top 30 just annoys me. wink

However, part of that is that Benintendi counts as a prospect still while Sanchez does not and they’re pretty much both the same level, prospect-wise, so I will convince myself that Sanchez would have made it two top 10 prospects for the Yankees. smile

Aw, Sox could have had the top two, three of the top 10 and 6 of the top 25 if not for trades. And that’s on top of a young roster…

OMG there’s a new Fernando Tatis!

You don’t need a new Fernando Tatis. Your old Fernando Tatis works just fine, and how often do you need a Fernando Tatis with better Bluetooth, anyway?

Is there any situation in which you would consider extending Pineda this year?

If he can show K abilities similar to what he did last year and see his 2 out performance return to reasonable levels, I think the Yankees should go for it. They need the pitching going forward and at worst he’s a good bet to be solid.

73. I would have in the offseason! I’d have offered a one year extension at 10 million (off the rough season) with two more years after that loaded with escalators for innings pitched, All Star bonuses, etc. etc. At best you get a great pitcher at 18 mil per year max, at worst you get a disappointment at 10 mil per for a mere three seasons. (who will be highly movable)

But if I were Pineda’s agent (and I am) I’m probably just gambling the big guy can put it all together for a season. Then we’re looking at a huge score.

[74] Same. I think the Yankees might still have a chance mid-season, but if he makes it to the end of the season, he’ll absolutely test free-agency.

CC’s performing at his peak capability.

CC got his ERA under 10 for ST today.

I was Montgomery-curious in college.

79 Qualudes?

[79]  Totally normal, everyone’s on a Montgomery continuum.

For anyone concerned, there is almost no chance CC is retained after this season. Even if he wants to keep pitching and they value his ability to eat innings, they will run into a similar situation they ran into with Damon. A previously very highly paid player is very unlikely to come back to his current team on a hugely reduced contract. The player doesn’t want to walk back into that same locker-room after taking a huge pay-cut. The player is way more likely to just take a team friendly deal someplace else, usually close to home.

If CC wants to keep pitching after this season, and is able to on that knee, I bet he ends up on a team friendly one year deal with one of the California teams.

CC’s family is in NJ now though.

He can follow the old fat pitcher route and go to the Mets from the Yankees, like Colon.

Severino #sad

Severino is just too hittable. I think the Yankees should give him time to start in the minors, but I just don’t think he will end up as a reliable starter and he has the chance to be a lights out reliever. if he can be an ace reliever the Yankees will have to use him in the pen

You guys, I beat a traffic ticket and it is the most unbelievable feeling.

How did you prove the cop planted evidence on you?

I planted evidence on HIM.

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