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Saturday, November 3, 2012

NY Post: Rivera tells Yankees GM Cashman he wants to return in 2013

Mariano Rivera will be back in pinstripes next year, The Post has learned.

The iconic closer told Yankees general manager Brian Cashman on Friday that he wants to return in 2013. Rivera missed almost the entire 2012 season with a torn ACL and, after initially saying he definitely wanted to come back, he was less sure about it in the last few weeks.

Now all speculation has ended.

“Rivera contacted us and wants to play,” Cashman told The Post.


Yay. Let’s hope Andy Pettitte feels the same way.

--Posted at 3:11 pm by SG / 29 Comments | - (0)

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This is good news to someone who still has no power.

Now I can only hope he will settle for a realistic contract.

I’m guessing a good base salary (maybe $10M) for a 43 year old closer coming off a major non-arm injury with innings pitched incentives that take him up somewhere between $13M-$15M.

Show Mo the Money.

Yeah, I’m of the opinion that it doesn’t matter what they pay him. Even if it’s “too much” it won’t get in the way of other off-season moves, makes it easier to coax BattleCat into one last run, and has no affect on Austerity 2k14. In fact, it might help with Austerity 2k14 as this all but guarantees they let Sorikneelo walk and take the pick, and gives them (at least) one more season to see who will be Mo’s replacement (Probably Robertson, but what if Joba turns into 2007 JOBA! again in the BP? Or what if Montgomery is everything Cairo thinks he is?)

Also, the perception that Mo makes them seem like more of a championship contender MIGHT help them lure some players on one year contracts if they need some stopgaps (cough*ToriiHunter*cough)

Building on the above, from the LA Times -
Hunter, a nine-time Gold Glove Award winner who has never played in a World Series, said in July that if he doesn’t return to the Angels, he would consider playing for only three teams, the Yankees, Rangers or Dodgers. Otherwise, he would retire.

But after a superb second half and another season in which he showed few signs of age, Hunter has expanded that list.

“Once Saturday hits, it’s open season, I’m open to anybody,” Hunter said. “I’ll be my own scout. I’ll see what moves are made and try to get to the team that has the best chance of winning.”

If Mo is back, there’s no way Andy isn’t. None.

Let’s just hope #hiroktober wasn’t a one-off.

I love Swisher, but he folds like origami under playoff pressure. But he’ll get you there. This team needs like 5 David Freeses. And 7 Marco Scutaros. Also 4 Pablo Sandovals. And 2 Barry Zitos just for good measure.

Seriously, what the fuck was that “World Series” team? Hats off to them, but seriously what the fuck?

Torii Hunter is also such a great guy that I’d like to have him around just for the post-game interviews.

Also, I forgot, YAY MO!!!!

Building on the above, from the LA Times

Derek Jeter has 5 Gold Gloves.

what if Joba turns into 2007 JOBA! again in the BP?

Something, something, midges.

Also 4 Pablo Sandovals.

Can any of them pitch ? They’ve got the size.

http://riveraveblues.com/2012/11/hot-gif-action-mark-montgomery-78697/#more-78697

I think I’m ready to see that slider on a regular basis.

Post [9] just put us back in the naked phil hughes pictures zone.

“hot gif action mark montgomery” also “slider”.

#untuck jus saw his salary drop 25% for next year, without being able to use the Yankees for leverage.

I’m of the opinion that it doesn’t matter what they pay him. Even if it’s “too much” it won’t get in the way of other off-season moves

I don’t agree. The Yankees have been staying around the same payroll for years now. They have actually been shrinking it a little. 2014 might be the final goal but that doesn’t mean there is no budget for 2013. The budget didn’t expand to give Jeter whatever he wanted. The budget didn’t expand for Andy last year, he had to settle for what was left. Mo’s salary IS going to be money they can’t spend not only in 2014, but in 2013 as well and as SG’s post on how things look assuming no one is singed shows, they have a lot of holes to fill.

[12] The Yankees have been staying around the same payroll for years now. They have actually been shrinking it a little. 2014 might be the final goal but that doesn’t mean there is no budget for 2013.

2012: $209M (almost $210M)
2011: $207M
2010: $213M
2009: $201M
2008: $209M

I think it’s more accurate to say that the payroll situation is fluid.  They add contracts mid-season when they have an obvious need, and don’t when there’s not an obvious need. They certainly haven’t been ‘shrinking it a little’.

[10] The slider is pretty sexy…

[13] -I said a little. Still the point was there isn’t no budget or exceptions made for old popular players. That stands.

Also in the current environment where many MLB teams appear to be flush, keeping spending fairly constant is it’s own form of shrinkage.

Yay Mo!

[15] I know you said ‘a little.’ It hasn’t been shrinking a little. It hasn’t been shrinking at all.

How is $209M in 2008 and almost $210M in 2012 shrinking a little? And I’m not saying they have an unlimited budget. Just saying that whether they sign Mo for $5M, $10M, or $15M, if they also have someone they want to add, Cashman can easily spin exceeding the 2013 budget by a few million.

If payroll stays the same for 4 years, that is essentially reducing payroll after accounting for inflation.  Revenue has probably been increasing at a rate at, or greater than, inflation from 2008-2012, while payroll has remained stagnant.  That basically means that the Yankees have been devoting a smaller portion of revenue to payroll each year since 2008, and the payroll has been shrinking, in real terms, once we account for inflation, since 2008.

Which sucks as a fan because the Steinbrenner children, as heirs to a huge fortune, clearly lack any discernible skills or benefit to society, yet won’t even give the fans the thrill of plowing this fortune into a baseball team that we can all enjoy.  This is all made worse by the fact that public money went into building the stadium and now these buffoons want to be frugal with “their” money. Massive d-bags, all professional sports owners really, but especially these clowns who seemingly can’t even play big stack poker with the enormous stack of chips their father left them.

19 one of the very best

[21] Don’t forget that Rodriguez’s salary has been decreasing by $1M per year since 2010.

[18] - It grew to $213 in 2010 and now it is around $207.  And remember they were done spending last year until Andy decided to come and they found an extra $2.5 million to give him. Besides, the Steins actually said they plan on shrinking payroll.  This really shouldn’t be a point of argument.

But that’s not the point.  The IS a budget and there isn’t extra pot for guys like Jeter, Mo, and Pettitte so an extra $7-$10 given to Mo is money that they can’t spend on DH, RF, C, SP, etc…

[24 and all those prior] Whether the payroll has technically shrunk, technically grown, whatever…the main point (like above) is that there IS a budget.  Whatever money is spent NOW on Mo is money that can’t be spent later, whether this offseason on players to help the full year, or in July on players needed to fill holes that come up during the season. 

Now, I’m not quite as willing to play hardball w/ Mo as I think sd is.  But, I think he should be given a (relatively) low base-salary, with incentives.  Something like $5M w/ incentives getting it to $10M.  I think that’s a good range to start with.

Now, I’m not quite as willing to play hardball w/ Mo as I think sd is.  But, I think he should be given a (relatively) low base-salary, with incentives.  Something like $5M w/ incentives getting it to $10M.  I think that’s a good range to start with.

See I think that is playing hardball.  I think that is a very fair offer and I’d have no problem with that.  I honestly wouldn’t want to pay that much for anyone after Mo, but I’m ok with giving that to Mo. 

However, my concern is that Mo likes to be paid significantly above top dollar (the #2 paid closer) and is willing to threaten to leave to teams like the Red Sox to get it.  I’m not willing to cave to that given Mo’s age and status and the bullpen being one of the only areas of strength and depth on this team.

[26] Oh okay.  I had thought you would be less willing to get up to the high end.  My bad.

IDK if Mo would threaten to go to another team.  Maybe.  If so…well, if someone gives him $15M so be it.

[24] It’s not $207M, it’s $209M, and nearly $210M. If we’re going to have a conversation about the size of the payroll, I don’t see the issue in using historically correct numbers.

Is there a budget? Clearly. I know there has been a meme that the new owners are tighter on the payroll than their father. That there is a meme doesn’t make it fact - as you can see, payroll hasn’t shrunk!  When you consider that they’ve received a $1M reduction each of the last two years because of the structure of Rodriguez’s deal, it disspells or at least challenges that meme even more.

And I believe the broader point that some here are trying to make, which has been tauted as being true despite the lack if evidence to support it, is that there isn’t a blank check for Rivera. Well, he made $15M annually for the last two years, and that amount fit into the payroll numbers I presented. Clearly he won’t be paid more than $15M in 2013 as he’s 2 years older and coming off a serious injury. But it’s just as clear to me that the Yankees can, if they want to, pay Rivera $15M in 2013 and fit it inside of a budget that they are comfortable with. How do I know this? Well, because they did it for the last 2 years.

That said, they will probably do what everyone does - get the best deal they can.

[28] - Obviously they can pay him that much and still come in on budget, but it will come at the cost of winning more games since that would be money they can’t use more efficiently elsewhere.

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