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Saturday, March 12, 2011

Hardball Talk: Cliff Lee chose Philly because the Yanks are getting older. At least in Lee’s mind

Who finished second to the Phillies in his mind:

“Texas probably finished second to be honest with you. Just as far as the quality of the team and the chance to win a World Series ring, I think they’re a better team. That’s just my opinion. The Yankees can do anything at any moment to improve and they’re not afraid to go do things. That was part of the decision making process too, but I felt like with what the Red Sox had done and it seems like some of the Yankee guys are getting older, but I liked the Rangers.”

So basically, Lee doesn’t think he’s good enough to help a team win, he’d rather just be along for the ride?

As pointed out by Craig Calcalterra in the link:

TGS: MLB rosters sorted by age

RKTEAMRHBLHBSHRHPLHPHTWTAGEYNGOLD
1 Philadelphia 7 7 6 15 5 6-1 206 28.7 20 39
2 LA Dodgers 12 5 3 15 4 6-1 212 28.7 22 37
3 St. Louis 8 7 2 12 3 6-1 207 28.6 22 38
4 Boston 10 8 4 15 3 6-1 205 28.5 21 44
5 Atlanta 7 7 2 15 5 6-1 205 28.5 21 39
6 Chicago Sox 11 5 2 13 5 6-2 211 28.2 21 43
7 Milwaukee 11 6 1 16 5 6-1 208 28.1 21 41
8 Toronto 13 3 0 15 8 6-1 208 28.0 21 37
9 LA Angels 9 2 8 15 3 6-1 199 28.0 23 37
10 NY Mets 9 4 5 10 5 6-2 207 27.9 21 36
11 NY Yankees 11 4 5 14 6 6-2 208 27.9 22 41

Lee had better hope Chase Utley doesn’t miss much time, because I have the gap between Philly and the Braves at only about three or four games.  Go Braves!

 

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That average weight must not include pitchers on minor league contracts with offers to ST…

BMI
Boston: 27
TEX: 27.4
PHI: 27.2

NYY: 26.7

I’m guessing this doesn’t account for Colon, because I’m not buying that the Yankees aren’t the fattest team in baseball.

Edit: Damn, beaten by 16 seconds. I’ll add in that it probably doesn’t account for Joba’s offseason “workouts.”

I cannot bring myself to repeat the exclamation at the end of that post.

Out of curiousity, what happens to the avg. age if one includes only starting players?  If that’s easy to run, of course.

If you included minor leaguers it might make up for Colon with Brackman and Betances adding a few extra inches to Colon’s few extra hundred pounds.

I will assume in addition to being a fat walrus, Colon is a Scientologist as now I am getting a Truth about Scientology ad.

Also, I will actively be rooting for Cliff Lee to turn back into the pumpkin he once was. It will be fun to hear stories of what Philly fans say to his wife.

Brackman and Betances adding a few extra inches

Queue up the Enzyte ads!

Yeah, screw you Cliff Lee. WP- surely the Braves are now preferable to PHI, if only to make him eat his words.

Sigh.  I actually kind of like the Phillies, as I have family there, my first major league game was Phillies-Astros at the Vet, and I have fond memories of the 1980 World Series.  That said…go Marlins?

Braves rolled over and died twice during the dynasty years…the Marlins gave us Josh Beckett.

Yeah, I never had anything against the Braves. Gave away the 96 series (or Leyritz took it away from them), put up no fight in the 99 series, and were the starting point for the turnaround in the 09 season. Only WS they won in that run was against Cleveland. What’s not to like? That said…go Natinals!

Out of curiousity, what happens to the avg. age if one includes only starting players?  If that’s easy to run, of course.

Those averages are for the current 40 man roster. Assuming Garcia and Colon fill out the rotation, a Chavez/Nunez/Jones/Cervelli bench and Mitre/Logan get the last 2 spots in the pen:
25 man roster: 30.7
Starting Lineup: 31.33
Rotation: 31.8
Bullpen: 30.3
Bench: 28.5

Out of curiousity, what happens to the avg. age if one includes only starting players?  If that’s easy to run, of course.Out of curiousity, what happens to the avg. age if one includes only starting players?  If that’s easy to run, of course.

Starting lineups isn’t easy to run, but here’s the weighted age for the lineups using my current team depth charts.  This is figured as player PA times player age, summed for each team and divided by team PA.

Team: Age
PHI: 31.7
LAD: 31.2
NYA: 31.1
BOS: 30.6
SF: 30.5
CHA: 30.2
CHN: 30.1
DET: 30
SEA: 29.8
OAK: 29.7
LAA: 29.7
CIN: 29.7
BAL: 29.5
SD: 29.4
WAS: 29.3
TB: 29.2
STL: 29.2
TEX: 28.9
HOU: 28.8
ATL: 28.7
ARI: 28.7
MIN: 28.6
NYN: 28.5
TOR: 28.5
MIL: 28.1
COL: 27.8
CLE: 27.5
PIT: 27.2
KC: 26.8
FLA: 26.1

Same thing with pitching, using IP instead of PA.

Team: Age
PHI: 30.8
STL: 30.6
ATL: 29.7
LAD: 29.6
NYN: 29.5
MIL: 29.3
HOU: 29.3
NYA: 29.3
LAA: 29.3
CHN: 29.3
BOS: 29.0
MIN: 28.9
WAS: 28.7
COL: 28.5
CHA: 28.4
TEX: 28.4
BAL: 28.3
FLA: 28.0
PIT: 27.9
SD: 27.7
TOR: 27.3
DET: 27.3
CIN: 27.2
SF: 27.2
ARI: 27.0
TB: 26.6
OAK: 26.5
CLE: 26.4
KC: 26.2
SEA: 26.2.

[13] So basically you’re saying Cliff Lee doesn’t know what he’s talking about.  Though it sounds like the main kicker was his wife and kid(s) wanted to live in Philly.  Sometimes the wives help (Teix’s wife), sometimes they don’t.

I’m guessing this doesn’t account for Colon, because I’m not buying that the Yankees aren’t the fattest team in baseball.

If they’re getting the weight numbers from BBRef, Colon is only 185 lbs…

Thank you, SG!
So the second list includes the whole roster, the first only position players?  That is, the second list isn’t ONLY pitching, is that right?

If they’re getting the weight numbers from BBRef, Colon is only 185 lbs…

I believe that’s just the weight of his colon.

That is, the second list isn’t ONLY pitching, is that right?

Second list is just pitching.  If we combine and average the lists it looks like this:

PHI: 31.3
LAD: 30.4
NYA: 30.2
STL: 29.9
BOS: 29.8
CHN: 29.7
LAA: 29.5
CHA: 29.3
ATL: 29.2
HOU: 29.1
NYN: 29.0
WAS: 29.0
BAL: 28.9
SF: 28.8
MIL: 28.7
MIN: 28.7
DET: 28.6
SD: 28.6
TEX: 28.6
CIN: 28.4
COL: 28.2
OAK: 28.1
SEA: 28.0
TB: 27.9
TOR: 27.9
ARI: 27.8
PIT: 27.5
CLE: 27.0
FLA: 27.0
KC: 26.5

Well, this sounds like pre-last-year “Good AJ.”
Pitched well enough to completely shut them out and still found a way to give up a few runs.
But I imagine we’ll take that.

[19] That’s a 2-3 WAR pitcher, which is a borderline #2.  If Hughes can repeat last year’s rates but, but add 25 or so IP, he’s in the same range (at the upper-end), which will probably be what most *good* teams (non-Phillies) get out of their #2/#3 starters combined.  Yeah, we’ll take that.

Here’s hoping Greenberg’s ouster leads to Texas falling apart.

Said like one those lousy, stinking, bottom-of-the-barrel Yankees fans, FGas.

Here’s hoping Greenberg’s ouster leads to Boston falling apart.

Cliff Lee what a pussy.

Vasquez is on some roll.

Watched the game today…A.J. looked really, really good. Painting the corners good. *Crosses fingers*

AJ could have a 0.00 ERA for two months and a 6.00 for the rest. It’s just the way he is.

[24] It’s about time we had a 1b with some power.

Not since Kevin Maas

Anyone know how the movement on AJs curve has been in ST so far? Do they publish ST heat maps?

I’d rather have some older players who are pretty good than young players that kinda suck.

I’m looking at you, Elvis.

Anyone know how the movement on AJs curve has been in ST so far? Do they publish ST heat maps?

I don’t think they have PitchFX set up in any ST parks, although I’m not really sure.

Does Google own Yahoo?  Because the ad at the bottom—an animated and full-motion commercial—was for Yahoo mail.

I’d like a Scientology bathrobe.

I’d like a Scientology space craft. Can you travel back to the past and watch old games from the Ruthian days in one?

You have one if you really, genuinely believe that you have one.

34: Xenu is very nice this time of year and they have an extensive archive of baseball DVDs dating back to Abner Doubleday.

I would be pleased if Granderson maintained his spring slugging pct. during the season.

He will, if you really, genuinely believe that he will.

Edit: Nah, who am I kidding ? He’ll be a bust by the ASB and we’ll be trading Jesus and one of the B’s for Austin Jackson or Melky.

This should have its own thread:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4exrad8

Complaint potential is off the charts.

I think it has higher potential as a ridicule thread.

the Yankees have targeted players with higher on-base tendencies, and those efforts have resulted in a lineup filled with them. In that way, the nine bats in the Yankees’ lineup are virtually indistinguishable.

“It is rare,” Pinto said. “As you mix people up in the order, you’re not really changing things that much.”

Is then followed up with the revelation that it only makes a difference of 2.6 runs over a 162-game season (that’s 0.016 runs/game). A point he drives home with another quote from his expert:

Said Pinto: “It shows a lot of time that the lineups don’t matter that much.”

So… like some whiskeys and steaks, it’s rare, but you see it all the time.

Yeah I was really pissed when I read Lee’s remarks, which added insult to injury.  Assclown.  An utter lack of grace in rejecting the Yankees’ offer as well as ignorance of the facts.  I like the Phillies because I went to college and grad school there but Lee can screw himself.

To be fair, adding Lee skews the age of the starting staffs.

Well, then clearly he should have just retired so as to avoid making any team he signed with older.

Garcia did not have a good outing-and on the outside here comes the high weight Bartolo Colon.

[44]  He’s four wide…five wide…yep, five wide just about describes him.

[45] He’s just rolling through everyone.

[44] I hope Colon agrees to be the long relief man/6th starter. Because they could play this on the enormatron when he’s called into the game.

Rose didn’t exactly bust out of the box on that one.

Rose didn’t exactly bust out of the box on that one.

You saying he had money riding on the other team?

[44] He was however reportedly throwing hard.

Yeah, Garcia supposedly got up to 92 today.  I only caught bits and pieces of the game today but from what I saw his control was off.

His average velocity on his fastball in 2010 was 87.8mph.  If he can throw around 90 consistently, he’s probably about 0.4 runs per nine better than his current projection.  Unfortunately, the last time he averaged at least 90 mph was 2005.

A team could have a couple of really old guys expected to get a lot of PA but who are also on the final year of their contracts.  Such a team could be “younger” than a team of 9 evenly distributed “pretty old” guys.

The Yankees lineup feels old, and I think you have to squint to think otherwise.  Yes, Gardner is young, but he’s also always the first option to be traded.  Meanwhile, Arod, Jeter and Tex are here for the long haul.

The Yankees lineup feels old, and I think you have to squint to think otherwise

Tough to refute a rigorous argument like that.

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