Labrum tear as per everyone on twitter.  Surgery May 1.

I guess labrum is better than rotator cuff.

How long?

Pavano, Jared Wrong, Javy, and Pineda.  Bad luck?

That’s what they get for going to Mehts doctor.
Nothing good ever comes of that guy.

[3] Forever.

6: but we knew that as soon as he went on the DL.  Will he accumulate as many starts in the next 4 years as we got from Pavano.

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Cashman said it’s “a full year” for Pineda’s rehab. He won’t pitch in 2012.

To paraphrase OTF:

Effin’ pelican beaks.

This takes all the pressure off of Hughes and now I fully expect him to bloom into a #1 or #2….....yeah right

This sucks monkey balls.

Snuggles has probably had this surgery, maybe he can fill us in.

Isn’t a shoulder labrum injury about the worst you can get when it comes to pitchers? I really liked this trade when it happened, but there’s decent chance that Pineda is never effective again and a strong likelihood that 2011 Pineda is gone for good.

[2] Per this, labrum’s the worst injury for pitchers.  Well, presumably getting one’s arm eaten by a shark while surfing would be worse.

Maybe the article is out of date though.

[14]  “Maybe the article is out of date though.”

Yeah, maybe the prognosis got worse.

[14] No one talks about torso loss as the worst injury a player can have.

Not sure if I should wait for Jose Campos to blow out his elbow in a year or two, or just go ahead and say now that was the worst trade ever.

[15] Maybe Pineda will walk again someday.  Like Steve Austin.

According to George King, the surgery has been cancelled because the arm that was to be operated on was eaten by a shark earlier this afternoon.
While Pineda was bowling.

Cashman says the team thinks the tear happened on the last pitch of his rehab start.  So what was the problem before?

[20]
The tissue weakness/damage that lead to the tear?

The Yankees do physicals on guys before they acquire them, right?

I think we should institute a No Expectations Policy wrt to our pitching prospects because it has become increasingly clear that anyone with any hype behind them will fail. Betances and Banuelos look well on their way to living up to that. The only way we will get results is they are allowed to develop under the radar like Nova and Robertson.

[23]  I get it.  So we should hype up the Jeff Karstens and ignore the Camposes.

The only way we will get results is they are allowed to develop under the radar like Nova and Robertson.

Yes, this! Adam Warren and David Phelps, c’mon down!

22 someone on Kay said Yankees used Mariners MRIs to evaluate Pin

There’s only one way I’m going to be ready to live blog this game given all the bad news.

I’m going to be watching every episode of Glee and Smash at the same time on my computer. That way the meaningless problems of annoying teenagers and adults acting exactly like the annoying teenagers can wipe away all memory of Pineda. They will also crush all of my personality and turn me into a broken man but a live blogging machine. That or I’ll die.

See you on the other side.

Snuggles, if you do that, your computer will explode from the sheer amount of suck being propelled through its circuits. And then you won’t be able to live blog. Please, think of the live blog!

Pineda had a drastic drop in velocity in his last start of the season.  That was kind of hand waved away as a result of him having 9 days rest prior.  That said, it looks an awful lot like what we got in ST and now…this.

Watch Girls instead

Yankees used Mariners MRIs to evaluate Pin

I know he’s out on the left coast and all, but they could have just come here to evaluate Pin. I think he’s here more than he’s out there, anyway!!!

[29] Plus the fact that Cashman is hardly a disinterested party when he reports that this JUST HAPPENED, guys, on the VERY LAST PITCH, long after I’d made the trade, guys, really!
What I don’t get is - they couldn’t have paid the extra $29.99 for the extended warranty?

[33]  You can’t really blame Cashman.  The extended warranty is almost always a ripoff.

By the way, have I mentioned recently that Jeff Karstens was a 3 bWar pitcher last year?

Via RAB, saying that the rotator cuff would have been worse? I have no idea:https://twitter.com/#!/DanBarbarisi/statuses/195260556767264770

Hughes vs Bizarro Newman tonite

[35]
If you’re in an argument about whether what you have is the worst thing possible, it’s already not good.

By the way, have I mentioned recently that Jeff Karstens was a 3 bWar pitcher last year?

No. Are you planning to? I’d think carefully about that.

Just awful.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but even if he recovers, the premium velocity that made him effective is not likely to return.

[35] As far as I’m concerned, shoulders, not matter the injury are all bad news. The one nice thing about Pineda is that he’s always had good control, so even if he returns with reduced velocity hopefully he’ll be able to turn himself into a solid pitcher with a FB, SL, CH combo.

[37] Well, it coulda been a shark?

I feel like sharks are being viciously maligned in this thread. Shark attacks are pretty rare, as sharks don’t like the taste of people (preferring seals, which I can only assume taste like chicken). When they do attack, they usually bite once then realize their mistake and swim away. So the chances of Pineda’s arm being eaten by a shark are pretty low. Now, mauling is on the table.

[40, 41]
I believe you both missed post #19.

Phil Hughes better pitch well tonight.

According to the twitterings Zack linked to - “Pineda Rotator cuff is unaffected, so yankees are positive about his ability to regain old velocity.”

Then again, they were positive about trading their best positional prospect in a decade or two for him, so…

[43] We can give you “great stuff” but can’t guarantee good results.

Well fuck me gently with a chainsaw.  Worst fears realized.

Goddamnit.

And yes, that last-start-in-2011 velo drop sure looks like the first red flag, doesn’t it?

As for “when the tear happened” the more I read about these sorts of injuries, the more it sounds like the bit of human (labrum, tendon, ligament) frays bit by bit until the final tear.  But mostly torn is bad too.  So even if he finally tore it this spring, the injury probably goes back to last year.

Arrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhh.

In all seriousness, as terrible as this (and really, it makes me feel like shit), with the addition of Pettitte to the mix, the Yankees should still be a better team this year than last. And even more, they should be able to piece together a more formidable playoff rotation with CC, Pettitte, Kuroda and Nova.

So while this is awful, at least they do have more starting pitching this year than last. They were not planning their season around Pineda, ya know?

Now if Years 2-5 of cheap Pineda are bad, then yeah, THEN they’d be fucked.

Let’s not focus on how terrible the loss of Pineda is this year, or how likely he’ll be diminished moving forward. Let’s instead focusing on finding the Take-Backsies clause governing MLB trade rules.

For the sake of sharks, I hope seals taste more like foie gras.  The real goose kind where they stuff the bird with corn.

Jeff Karstens may be avaialable.  It was on Twitter.  Okay, I Tweeted it.

[26] I’ve had so many MRI’s my fillings glow in the dark, but they’ve all been of my head, and they never found anything.

[42] I feel like the Yankees really should have checked up on Pineda’s shark-related activities before the trade, or at least included a shark-clause in the trade language. That’s pretty much industry-standard at this point, no?

OK, so here’s the list of young pitchers we’ve sucessfully nurtured into strong mlb starters since Ron Guidry:

Andy Pettite. 

Drafted 1990.

I miss anybody?

I wasn’t nearly as high on Montero as everyone else. If he isnt catching his 2010 and 2011 are nowhere near as impressive.

But yeah this really stinks.

[52] I think Wang counts.  He got hurt.  He was good before that.

Nova is on his way, hopefully.  So far, so good.

You could probably make a case for Ted Lilly.

I hate to be all I TOLD YOU SO about my username, but I really did like Montero and feel bad about wanting something bad to happen to him now, too.

jk about the last part.

fucking cashman. I wonder if Jack Zdurdieniecka was smrt enough to call no backsies. We could still get out of this!

Or just judge the trade in five years yadda yadda. whatever.

54—Lilly pitched just over 200 MLB innings for us, so….yeah, Wang I’ll give you.  The whole Chien-Ming Wang episode seems like a dream at this point…..

What Rob said in 46. Every effen word.
Bright side… Robert Valentine is not our mismanager.

52= Drabek and Tewksbury.

Montero had no poistion on the yankees after 2012 - Arod + have to DH. The only question is why not wait until after 2012. They clearly needed a DH this year - they signed Ibanez! Whatever. Stuff happens. Aside from Britt Burns, can anyone name other trades for Ps who never pitched a game on the yankees?

We sure feel like shit, but imagine what Pineda must be going through. Professional sports is one brutal environment. How many broken dreams for one success story? One minute you’re the next big thing, the next you can look for work at your local McDonald’s…
I hope Pineda recovers. Not for our sake. For his.