Teix before/after some date that we’re equating with abandoning his “hit the other way” swing?

Edit: nvmd, looking again the isoP actually isn’t high enough in the 2nd split for it to be Teix.

Not Teix.

AJ Burnett against vs. NYY career
AJ Burnett against as a NYY pitcher

Not A.J.  Not any pitcher.

I was thinking Ichiro…but no despite his 9-game Yankee hitting streak he still stinks. 

Montero vs righties and lefties?
Montero home and away? 

Hey, does anyone know what the record is for least hits in an x-game hitting streak? It is too early, but what if Ichiro gets to 15 or 20 games with the grand total of 15 or 20 hits. that would be cool.

Pujols?

I’ll go along with Mike. Tex

Wonder if Seattle will be throwing at NY this weekend? My guess the first time they do, Girardi will finally take some action.  He may do it anyway, if Yanks are in a luxury position in terms of game situation.

Too bad about Mason “Classical Gas” Williams and his injury. He had a great year.

Wish the Yanks would promote Nik Turley to AA but I suppose its too late in season.

I thought saying not Teix would stop people from guessing it was him.

Jeter>

Melky Mesa promoted to AAA, starting CF. Might see him as a September call-up.

[7] Girardi has never shown an interest in returning fire. He’s more the “we’ll beat you in the game” type.

If you’re winning, you don’t need to send a message. If you’re losing and throwing back at them, it does send a message. That message is “My name is Sully, and I’m a douche.”

[10]
There do seem to be times when a team is treated as target practice until retaliation. E.g.: Roger Sully, Pedro Sully, etc. Oh, and earlier - Armando somebody.

The one that kills me is the stuff like Hamels saying Harper handled the situation well so now he likes Harper and specifically asked to have the locker next to him at the All-Star Game. “You handled my asshole behavior quite well. Let’s be friends!”

[8] With this added data, I’m definitely guessing Teix.

Swisher?

Oooh, I think it could be Swish!

SG- oh you were thinking Mark Teixiera. I thought Mike was referring to the pitcher Teixiera that Yanks had at one time. I really should read more thoroughly.

Split 1 = Yankees with RISP through the end of June.
Split 2 = Yankees with RISP since.

[17] I think we were all right when we guessed Teix.

I riddle you this:

Split 1:  .571
Split 2:  .143

17, but they still stink.

I honestly think if Lee gets claimed Philly will let him go.  I hope Cashman got over his mancrush.

I dunno. If Lee was claimed and the Yankees just got him for nothing, couldn’t they then trade Hughes and Nova and get outfielders to replace Swish and Grandy?

A 2014 rotation of

CC
Lee
Pineda
Phelps
Mystery pitcher (perhaps whoever the 2014 version of Garcia is)

doesn’t sound too bad and sounds like a pretty tough playoff rotation.

Basically, you’d be putting the majority of your budget into the rotation and getting cost-controlled outfielders. And then in 2015, you’d get whoever the big budget pitcher is.

Heck, in that previous scenario, they could still sign Pettitte or Kuroda for 2013 on a one-year deal.

[22] Except picking up Lee at his salary and then trading away two relatively cheap pitchers to get outfielders doesn’t seem like a good way to get under 186.

[15] Teix is leading in the polls. Go with Teix.

[22] Maybe they could somehow work Soriano into the trade ?

Oh, and Mystery Pitcher is obviously Joba. Or someone else. Book it.

Except picking up Lee at his salary and then trading away two relatively cheap pitchers to get outfielders doesn’t seem like a good way to get under 186.

Depending on what the budget for outfielders would be, right?

An entirely cost-controlled outfield might only run you $10 million total.

[19] “split2”=round(“split1”/4)

And they said the Math degree was worthless…

[24] But they wouldn’t be paying 15 mill each to a CFer and RFer.

But Hughes and Nova suck, so I don’t who would take them.

Re: Lee…I think Yanks should put in a claim and see what happens.  Short term, he makes the team better this year.  Replaces Garcia in the rotation, possibly on the 25 man (wonder if Freddy has any trade value?  C prospect maybe?)  CC/Kuroda/Lee/Hughes/Nova.  That’s solid, maybe not as good as Angels but pretty close.  Now you’re protected from Andy not coming back, if Andy does return whichever of Hughes/Nova is pitching worse goes to the pen (and whichever is pitching better is in bullpen for playoffs, other probably sidelines).

For 2013 and beyond, obviously don’t resign Kuroda, probably Pettitte retires for good this time.  I don’t think you trade BOTH Hughes and Nova, but trading one of them makes sense; don’t want to revisit now which one.  But Pineda looks like ready in May at earliest, so if you trade both and don’t resign Kuroda (getting pricey), rotation in April is something like CC/Lee/Phelps/Warren/Schaeffer Hall.  At that point, they may have to decide to let Granderson walk for salary reasons…but that may be in their best interests anyway.

Well, you could trade one this offseason and then trade the other one after the 2013 offseason when Granderson becomes a free agent.

I would not take Cliff Lee, because he would not be happy on such an old team that has so little chance of going to the World Series.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m still on board the “Fuck you, Cliff Lee” bandwagon. I think he’s a dick and I’m certainly not “Oh man, I would love the Yankees to get him!” But he’s a dick who is probably better than anyone the Yankees have except CC (and POSSIBLY Kuroda), so I think it makes some sense if all they have to give up is money, especially as it would free them up to deal Nova for an outfielder so they could save on Grandy’s sure-to-be-too-high salary in 2014.

[27]  Good catch.  Yankees’ winning percentage in 1-run games pre- and post-ASB.

It would be great to essentially force Lee to come here after rejecting a trade here and rejecting a FA offer for more money to come here.
And then watch it be great.  The hope would be that his wife would be as much a laughingstock in the Lee home as she is in the rest of New York.

[32] Right, exactly.  I don’t think he’s a Randy Johnson-level dick, he’s an elite left-handed pitcher, and all he would cost is $$‘s.  For this year, the pitching staff is STRONG.  Next year should be too, and they can afford to trade maybe Nova and other pieces for Upton.  Next year payroll isn’t *too* much of a concern, and team should also be very strong.  2014 would see Granerson gone (but having Upton in RF should cushion that).  Now they need to start developing kids for a few years until the big contracts fall off, and 2014/2015 may be years they only look like 85 win teams.  However, winning titles in 12/13 should help cushion that…

[34] I didn’t think Lee had anything to do with not coming here in a trade.

I would hope it would be great.  I have a feeling the Lee’s would adjust just like Johnny Damon (who at one point said he would never play for the Yankees) did.  Hopefully with Lee putting up 4-6 WAR seasons for a few years.

[36]
Mike, I’m not going to look it up, but I did read that he was asked about a trade to NY before this last trade deadline and rejected it (NY is in the no-trade list in his contract, which is also sweet).

[37] I thought I read that NY was NOT on the no-trade list in his contract. It was mentioned one way or another on MLBTR. Too lazy much in a hurry to look it up.

So long as Lee and/or his wife end up in the dunk tank, I think it would work out.

[30] Exactly. It’s a short term bumb and Pettitte insurance, and gives them flexibility in the next two seasons with trading pitchers for other things not available inside the system.

OTOH TSCC is available now….

[37] The Yankees are not on Lee’s no-trade list.

[37]
Odd. I apologize if I’ve remembered this incorrectly.

I am not as sophisticated as many of you on the implications and mechanics of the waiver process. I also can’t distinguish here what is tongue in cheek as opposed to somewhat serious thought. My understanding is that Lee on waivers is a revokable move on the part of Phillies to determine trade interest. Since we are on the other side of Aug 31, this makes no sense either.  I would also assume Yankees to get him would take on a number more years in the 20+ million range let alone trade prospects.  What am I missing? Lee’s going to get his money even if he would clear and be released. I see no upside to this and have to assume we are being lighthearted, no?  The last thing Yanks need is a mid 30’s player making over 20 mil.

Basically, if Lee clears waivers he can be traded to any team.  The discussion is whether the Yankees should claim Lee to prevent him from possibly being traded to Texas or Boston or whomever.  The upside being you don’t let one of the teams contending with you for a spot in the World Series to improve their chances.

The risk with that would be that the Phillies decide to let the Yankees keep Lee on the waiver claim and assume the remainder of his contract, which would put a serious issue in their ability to get their payroll down.

I am not as sophisticated as many of you on the implications and mechanics of the waiver process. I also can’t distinguish here what is tongue in cheek as opposed to somewhat serious thought. My understanding is that Lee on waivers is a revokable move on the part of Phillies to determine trade interest. Since we are on the other side of Aug 31, this makes no sense either.  I would also assume Yankees to get him would take on a number more years in the 20+ million range let alone trade prospects.  What am I missing? Lee’s going to get his money even if he would clear and be released. I see no upside to this and have to assume we are being lighthearted, no?  The last thing Yanks need is a mid 30’s player making over 20 mil.

The waiver process works like this:

If the Phillies get him through waivers, they can trade him anywhere. If he gets claimed, they can either just let the team that claims him get him for free or work out a trade with that team. They can’t re-submit him for waivers this season if he is claimed.

As for whether it makes sense, the Yankees have two goals for 2014. 1. Be under 189 million dollars in salary and 2. Be a good team.

Lee helps the latter and his being on the team theoretically could help the former AND the latter if it allows the Yankees to trade one of their good cost-controlled starters for a good cost-controlled outfielder, allowing them to let Curtis Granderson leave before 2014 without it affecting the quality of the team, in effect swapping out Granderson being overpaid in 2014 to Lee being overpaid in 2014. I think Lee would be more valuable in 2014.

[41] It really comes down to the fact that potentially all it takes, today, to get Cliff Lee on your team is to say the word “yes”, because, as I understand it, the Phillies were dangling Lee to any takes if they took his entire contract and sent back marginal prospects. You get his full contract, too, but you get Cliff Lee. 2 years ago, the Yankees wanted this very same guy at pretty much the deal he signed - in fact I think we were all OK with more years than he got and more money per year. Do they still want him after he shunned them? Do they want him with all the money still owed to him in the middle of a down year and with an already solid pitching stafff? I’m guessing no, but there’s still that “wow” factor that comes with just saying “yes” and then Cliff Lee drives to your stadium and pitches for your team.

Of course, the Phillies could pull him back. The revocable waivers process is undergone usually just to get the guy through in case they actually do want to trade him, then they don’t have to pass him through again.

BTW- Surprised Kurt Suzuki made it all the way up to the Nationals. Would have though someone would have blocked that.

Thanks SG, j, and Brian- It appears than that money is the primary driver then and prospects could be very marginal to get something worked out.  As for me right now I think Angels are the team to beat and I don’t know if another lefty would help that much against a team that is very much improved on the right side with TnT and Albert. Right now a lot has to go very right for the returnees to come back in time to be on their game.  Also, I’ll be very surprised if Tex returns this weekend. I look for him to be out a couple of weeks more, particularly if he truly isn’t quite there and tries too soon and has a setback.  The injuries this year are unbelievable.

just saw a tweet from Buster that Damon is released with about 2760 hits. Looks like he may be at end of road. He’s been wanting to get to 3K but I can’t see him getting the abs at this point from any team in MLB to get that done. Jeter to get to 4K would likely have to be willing to sign on virtually anywhere and I don’t think that he would do that. Since Jeet has little power and rbi capability, I don’t see him even being all that attractive to another team say at 40 or 41. Pete Rose of course played for a number of teams and eventually as player mgr could write his own name on the lineup card.

Derek Jeter, Age 45,Starting Shortstop/Manager of the NY Yankees.  This is pretty much inevitable.

BTW- Surprised Kurt Suzuki made it all the way up to the Nationals. Would have though someone would have blocked that.

I dunno, he’s having a worse year than Martin and he’s making $6.5 million next year.

There’s another move with the waivers bit. If the Yankees were to claim him, another team could also claim him. The team with the worse record gets him. So hypothetically, a team like Baltimore or the Townies could claim him to keep him out of NY, but then they have to keep him (or trade in the off-season).

Also, a player might have a team in their no-trade clause, but if he’s claimed by that team off waivers, basically it’s tough shit for the player. So it’s also a way to break a player’s no-trade clause. Because you could then tell him “look, you’re going, and you’re going there anyway, so waive your no-trade and play along so our team gets something in return”.

I think I’d risk going with Hughes in the future over Nova. Nova might have more trade value as well. This could also be doubling down on a sorry hand, but whatever. The answer is definitely that they all stink. When is Strasburg a FA again?

Apparently what I said in the second paragraph isn’t true. The no-trade list is intact. Which doesn’t make sense to me, but whatever.